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Damage comparison - Critzilla, Shuricannon, Warshuriken 40k, Repeaters and others

Hi all

I am not able to post pictures in other forum folders so now i post it here - I hope that is okay.

I did some calculations on different builds. One of them is the Shuricannon https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...di-Shuricannon and another is the Critzilla https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ress-Critzilla . Another is the warshuriken 40k - see the end of the critzilla thread. It is a monk 6 paladin 14 using holy sword and shurikens.

I did the calculations assuming that a thrower can throw one axe/shuriken/dart each second without any enhancements to attack speed. I did this to compare it to a repeater build which fires about 2 bolts each second.
The graph below shows the multiplier of the base damage - the normal damage on a non crit not including banes etc - compared to the other.

I assumed 50 wisdom for calculating bonuses from 10k stars. This is also averaged out since it can only work half the time.
I assumed 50 dex for calculations on shuriken expertise and the ninja spy enhancement.
I assumed that for the critzilla the Nightforge Spike was used and for shuriken the snow star was used.

Critzilla:
Threatrange=10
Critmultiplier=4

Bard shuriken:
Threatrange=10
Critmultiplier=3
Shuriken expertise with dex=50

Halfling Monk shuriken:
Threatrange=8
Critmultiplier=2
Shuriken expertise, ninja spy, 10k stars, grandmaster of wind stance

Warshuriken 40k Monk paladin:
Threatrange=8
Critmultiplier=3
Shuriken expertise, ninja spy, 10k stars, grandmaster of wind stance

Artificer repeater:
Threatrange=4
Critmultiplier=2
Armor of speed, Swashbuckkling with rune arm

Artificer paladin repeater:
Threatrange=6
Critmultiplier=3
Armor of speed, Swashbuckkling with rune arm

First the seeker damage multiplier since the legend is on this graph and the normal damage multiplier:


As you can see the monkpaladin (warshuriken 40k) comes out on top in the seeker image. Followed by the bardshuriken build.

Again on the normal damage image the monkpal comes out on top followed by the monk and Artificer paladin (6 artificer 14 paladin using holy sword on the repeater - or something like that)

It should be noted that the bard swashbuckler is currently bugged and wont get the crit multiplier as described. see the threaad critzilla for more info.

The thing about these builds are that the monk builds will not get any bonuses to damage on hit - I am under the impression that lightning the candle only works on melee. Correct me if i am wrong.
The artificer builds on the other hand benefits from the rune arm imbue and music box i assume. so lets assume that that is 4d6=14 on average. Here is the damage when speed and multishot is included:

The artificers using repeaters have the same value. This gives a obvius advantage to the repeater builds.

For me the MonkPal and ArtPal builds are no good since i only do heroic stuff and they wont get really good till end game. So that leaves the Bardshuriken or the shuricannon. But I actually think i will go for the artificer pure build since it can do some AOE spells that i like. I am trying one out right now and he seems to do good. I should say I only do stuff on Normal and Hard and very rarely on Elite and only Heroic quests.

Let me know what you think and if you have any questions or suggestions post it here and i will reply.

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